WTBL - Walking the Blue Line

WTBL Walking The Blue Line (00:10)
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode on walking the blue line. We are out here enjoying the weather today. It is beautiful out there today. Sunny. Sunny. was a nice day for chasing horses. Always lovely to be woken up when you get a call saying, hey, your new horse is out. Right.

Well, our daughter decided to buy a new horse as though she doesn't have enough. Add to the herd. Add to the herd. And of course, the first time at home, they decide to run away. This doesn't look like home to them, I guess. Well, to be honest, they have one of the horses is kind of a bully. So we think that he was maybe chasing her. And the new horse is called Big Booty Judy. And she does have a big booty. We'll show you guys a picture. Yeah, she's.

She's a good looking horse, but she's a little short and stocky. And ⁓ Dallace is hoping to make something out of her, but she's new to the herd. ⁓ so very first thing in the morning, we get a call, need to go catch this horse that has run away. Well, actually Dallace was at work. So Drew called us. So you guys were able to go and wrangle her in. And then Drew put a halter on her and they drove the truck and

Drew sat on the tailgate and you guys ponied her home Actually brought her here because they need to get their fence fixed Yeah, so anyway a little bit of excitement in our life this morning our mini ranch for many ranch For those of you that wonder why we post so much stuff of horses and whatnot that is why because besides the law enforcement thing then

We have all of the chickens and the horses to go along. And dogs, and of course, if you can see our one dog right back there. And not just the Pomeranian sleeps funny. The Husky does too. Yeah. Well, you know, this past week while kind of enjoying life, we watched some television and an interesting case came to light that... Actually, yeah, what? 45 years ago? 1980?

Yeah, it seems to be catching everyone's attention because it's been on television now for a little while with two different movies made about it. And then going back, it was actually based on a true story. a book as well as an article, I think in Texas Monthly was made about it. The movies that were online or on TV was Candy and Love and Death. Right. ⁓

We're calling our little episode here 41 blows the Candace Montgomery case it's based in this little bitty town Wiley, and church people and pretty quiet community and This it was a chain of events that were just very strange

Yeah, you know, I think it's the type of community everyone hopes to raise their children in as well as Candace Montgomery herself was active in the church. Everyone involved in this case. Betty too. Betty Gore, the one who was killed. They both were married with two kids. Actually, it happened on Friday the 13th, 1980. yeah, so we'll lead into that. If you haven't seen the shows, we

Don't want to bring the spoiler out right away.

they're worth watching. I think we both had a preference as to which one we liked. Yeah, I definitely liked the one called Love and Death better, but the one that was called Just Candy, they gave different perspectives, I think. The one that we liked was the Love and Death,

with Elizabeth Olsen.

I think they gave you a little bit more information. It was easier to follow on the second one. Had we not seen the first one, I would have been more confused. I mean, they explained it later on in the show, but in the beginning, we're like, whoa, if we hadn't have known what was going on, you'd have kind of been lost. And the other thing is if you do happen to watch these shows, realize that they are both dramatized. So, you know, to add a little bit more either suspense or.

whatnot to it, but ⁓ so I ended up reading another article that kind of pointed out like eight different facts about what was true and what wasn't true ⁓ and a few little differences between the two movies. Yeah, there was definitely one in the one called Candy that they put out that was a fact that just wasn't true. Right. And I don't even know why they they did that. It didn't seem to make it any better.

It makes show any better. for those of you that are tuning in and think that you want to watch it, I hope that we don't completely spoil it for you, but we're going to give away all of the information right here on the podcast this week because we want to talk about it. It has an unusual ending or I guess when you get there, you're kind of wondering how did that happen? I can see it both ways too. it just depends on how you look at it

what your thoughts are. But like we said, it happened in a small town in the south in Texas, Wiley, Texas. They were both churchgoers, ⁓ family. There was an affair. And then, of course, there was the murder.

One movie jumps around in time, but to go a little bit chronologically, this whole thing starts with an affair about two years prior to the murder. Right, and between Candy and Alan Gore. Alan Gore, yeah, Betty's husband.

I think what they portray is that Candy is unhappy at home with her love life. Her husband, Pat, kind of ignores her a bit. He's got everything that he's involved with work-wise or sports-wise and such, and she just feels kind of... Unappreciated and not loved. I think he loved her, but...

their romantic life in the bedroom wasn't very good. Exactly. And so based on, this feeling of inadequate marital life, she decides that she wants to pursue something outside the marriage. And both of the shows portray her being pretty forthright with Alan Gore. Yeah, they were at church and they both were on the volleyball team.

A league or something. their spouses weren't involved in that. was just her and him. And she flat out just approached him one night, came outside and got in the car with him and said, Hey, I find you attractive and I want to have an affair. And I think he was taken off guard. Both of the movies portray him as cause kind of sitting there like, ⁓

What do I say? What do I do? Yeah, what do I do? So he thinks about it for a little while before he decides yeah, I'd like to have an affair too.

Terribly unhappy, but he wasn't happy him and his wife were we're not getting along great and at one point she had had a baby and Was experiencing postpartum

Depression which I don't know if anyone out there know why it happens it kind of messes with you yeah, she comes across very kind of flat and Not the nicest person exactly a couple of the things that I looked at to see if they really happened or not number one It is reported both in

trial and by her that she did just jump into his car and ask him if he wanted to have an affair. And then when he says yes, something else that actually happens is they have their first meeting and they go through pros and cons. Yeah, they put a list up and they're like, how are we gonna do this? What are the rules? Where are we gonna go? What about they were gonna do it at lunch and who's gonna provide lunch? Who's gonna pay for the hotel?

And they had all these things too, like what if this happens then we stop. So if they start having feelings for each other or if they thought they were gonna get caught. And there was just all these things they wrote on these lists. And I think they had more than one meeting about this. But they finally come to a negotiated agreement. Okay, hey, these are the dos, these are the don'ts. We both agree on them.

Let's move forward both of them basically say right from the get-go. They don't want a divorce No, they don't want to be with each other, know They were they actually said if either one of them started having feelings for each other that they wanted to call it off because they didn't want Divorces, right? And so those are a couple of the actual things that do happen that are portrayed in the movie candy is more the outgoing

I don't want to say more attractive, definitely more athletic. Kind of very put together, outwardly composed, had an outgoing personality where Betty was more

she comes across as less emotionally stable. ⁓ She definitely was very dependent on Alan because a couple introverted is what I was looking for. Where Candy was outgoing. Betty was more introverted and I think Alan was more reserved, but definitely a little more

Betty, was definitely very afraid of being by herself. And that actually comes into play on the weekend or the day that she's murdered. She really doesn't want Alan to leave. Well, his job ⁓ takes him away. He's an electrical engineer.

and he has all these business trips and he's out of town a lot and she doesn't like that. She's got a couple of kids and wants him to be home with her, especially on the weekends. She gets very upset when he's gone and he is gone on the weekend that she ends up being murdered. So the other person here is Pat. Pat is Candy's husband.

And like I said earlier, he definitely seems like he's more ⁓ concerned about himself in terms of he doesn't spend as much time with Candy and comes across as a nice guy. I think that he loved her for sure. He was, I think, involved with himself

Candy and her husband were probably better off. They had a really nice house. The Gores had a nice house, but not quite as big. and the other thing is that Candy and Betty were actually

Candy threw Betty a baby shower and would come over and they would visit.

And she actually worried about her, think. Yeah, again, the central thing being the church is that they both attended the same church. They knew the same pastor. They ⁓ kind of circled in the same groups. So it was easy for Candy to put together a group of people that knew both of them and celebrated the welcoming of a new child for the Gores.

they both had daughters about the same age and so they played together and Also, they spent the night at each other's house. Yes, so there was that too and actually on the day that she was murdered Betty Gore's daughter was spending the night with candy and her family and they were gonna go to the movies and I think she was supposed to take her to a swim lesson and yeah, so

back up here just little bit. You've got these two families. Candy and Al decide to have an affair. They make their list and then they begin having their affair. And their affair, I think, goes on for nearly a little over a year, but probably about eight months prior to the homicide. They decide, they both sort of mutually decide to stop it. ⁓ Candy comes across that she's starting to

Feelings for Alan and when she wants to stop it He doesn't really want to right and then it kind of goes back the other way where he says I need to stop it well him and his wife ⁓ They go to a marriage retreat a marriage encounter and renew their vows and so when he comes back he talks to candy Alan does him and his wife are the ones who went to it

And goes, our marriage is getting better. I don't want to, split myself between you and her anymore.

Candy and her husband ended up going to the marriage

of them start making the efforts to renew their marriages, repair any damage and put the affair behind them

it had been about eight months since the affair had ended the day that it happened, Betty's little girl, she's spending the night with Candace and her family. And so they were at church getting ready for some kind of a

The kids were gonna put on a puppet show they were there for a rehearsal and getting things ready I think the adults which Candice was one of ⁓ the chaperones and whatnot were trying to help build the displays and such so but it was also coming up on Father's Day and candy needed to run some errands she needed to go get ⁓ Betty's daughter's swimsuit because she had swim lessons

that Candy was gonna take her to and then they were gonna go to the movies and spend the night. So Candy ends up leaving church and going over to Betty's house. And this is when things go wrong. Yeah, very wrong. what we know happens is that Candy starts out friendly. Yeah, Candy shows up. Things apparently seem to be friendly.

She meets their new puppy that they got, the Gores. Yeah, the Gores had just gotten a couple of new dogs. And then they sit down to have somewhat of a conversation and it appears that Betty is already suspicious that Alan has been cheating on her. And Alan supposedly never did tell her, but she confronts Candy and says, are you having an affair with my husband?

Candy says, no, I'm not having an affair. then Betty goes, did you have an affair with my husband? And Candy goes, yes, but it was a long time ago. Right, so if she makes an admission and tells her that it's over, and it seems for a moment that everything's gonna be okay. Now in the movie, and there is no cooperation for this, it's just.

basic story candy story Betty goes to the garage and retrieves an axe and She comes back in and she sets the axe down And of course Candice is a little bit concerned about what is going on here But again things seem like they're gonna be okay So Betty tells Candice to go to the utility room and gather her daughter's swimwear

the closet and get a towel for her and some peppermints because supposedly when Betty's daughter goes underwater, she gets scared. So when she comes back up, they gave her peppermint. So she was going to get those. And the two kind of go opposite directions in the house and then they come back together. At which point Candace says she makes an apology to Betty for having had an affair with Alan by basically just saying, I'm sorry.

and this suddenly trips Betty. Well, she says she's sorry, but then she sort of tries to give her a hug, I think, or at least touch her on the shoulder like this and says, I'm really sorry. And that kind of triggers Betty in Candice recount says she, she just goes kind of nuts and she pushes her down. So Betty has pushed Candice down. She grabs the

Axe and she comes towards Candice and now ⁓ struggle

Betty almost cuts off Candy's toe and she hits her somewhere like right here in the forehead and she's bleeding also we should mention Betty was a bigger woman than Candy.

Candy's a little bit overwhelmed in terms of size and probably

says that she tried to get away. She tried to go out the garage door, but Betty slammed the door shut and she couldn't get away. And then so she tried to go out the other door and then Betty comes after her and that's when they started the swinging of the

a couple of times in the forehead almost

loses her toe, she breaks some fingernails before she was finally able to wrestle the axe away from Betty and then she just starts

to the extreme that she actually sticks the

the blade into Betty's skull so hard that it gets wedged there she has to pull it

hit her 41 times with the axe. After this, she comes to, and realizes, my gosh, what have I done?

she decides she needs to take a shower. this is one of those dramatic moments where they added some things in according to research on the

was never ever proven or discussed at trial whether she actually took a shower in Betty's or if she went home according to Candace testimony she had gone home and cleaned up but

The movie shows her cleaning up in house. Both movies show her taking a shower at Betty's house. Right. So then she does go home though, and she gets herself all cleaned up. She washes her clothes. The only thing she really changed was she changed her shoes because she had on like flip flops and she put on some tennis shoes.

oh, and Betty's baby was at the house.

when Candace left, just left the baby in the

when she got home, she cleans up, she washes her clothes and she goes back to church. people notice that she's been gone and she's got this story about how she had gone to Betty's house. They sat down, they talked for a little bit. She had to run to the store and when she got to the store, she realized her watch had stopped and she was taking way too long.

So she doesn't even go into the store to get the Father's Day gift that she was gonna get, and then she returns to the church. And because she's all cleaned up, no one seems to be suspicious about her absence for a couple hours. So after that, they take Betty's daughter, to the swim

they go back to their house and then the whole family goes to the movie. Yeah, they wanted to go see the Empire Strikes Back. One thing we did forget when they look at Betty's house on her coffee table was the newspaper and it was opened up to, The Shining?

of course, if anyone's seen The Shining, they know that there's an axe in that movie,

in The middle of the night Alan has been trying desperately to get a hold of Betty all day long He's been unable to he's out of town on business. He can't reach Betty, which is highly unusual She usually doesn't go anywhere. She's at home

And he's been trying frantically to get in touch with her. So now he's sensing that something is wrong. And he finally contacts three of his neighbors and asks them to go over there and basically tells them get in the house under whatever way you can and see what's going on. So, but doesn't he also call Candy he had called Candy before contacting his neighbors.

And basically asked her if she had seen Betty that day, to which she said that she had. She admitted having gone over to the house. And she asked, do you want me to go over there? Do you want Pat to go over there? But they lived a little further away. And so he said, no, nevermind. I'll have one of the neighbors go over. So they do. Three of them end up going over there and they were going to try to pry the door open. But when one guy finally

goes over there, it was open. Yeah, he tries the front door, he's able to walk right in. And shortly upon entering, they can hear the baby is in there crying. She'd been there 13 hours by herself in the crib. Yeah, and she was about, what, 10 months old at that point? Yeah, not very old. And so they go find the baby and she's covered in feces and everything. And they take the baby and they take it to one of their houses and give it to their wives.

And then three guys are looking through the house and the house looks pretty clean. They don't really notice too much until one of them goes into the utility room. don't actually go in there. They open the door and they can see her laying there and they close the door really quickly And they call the police.

So Alan calls the house while they're in there and one of them answers the phone and says that they found the baby and the baby is okay. And when he asked, well, what about Betty? They just tell him it's not good. It looks like she's been shot.

You can tell that they're basically making that assumption by the amount of blood that's everywhere. And they didn't really hold the door open that long. They like kind of looked in there and they closed it. And then they called the police too. Right. It would have been the last thing you would have expected for someone to be hacked up with an axe. This is like, don't think they saw the axe at that time. Right. So the police come now this is early 1980s. Part of this is for drama, but ⁓

I know as an investigator part of what I was looking at is like, my gosh, this would have been a heyday in court because the crime scene has been completely contaminated. these three guys and they're walking all over the house and then when the cops get there, they don't realize. So everyone's walking everywhere

They do go about their investigation and they're able to collect a significant amount of evidence in terms of there were some footwear impressions on the floor. There was a thumb or a hand print on the, was it a freezer or something? Yeah, the freezer that was in the utility room. Of course the axe is there, there's blood everywhere. They find a lens to a pair of sunglasses.

In the garage, which was kind of one of the questionable things about all of this. Who brought the axe in? Right. Yeah, that'll become an issue later in court the lens turns out to be from Candy's sunglasses. Actually, I think they find her sunglasses in the utility room. ⁓ But the lens was in the garage. And they get into this conversation about, how did her lens get?

there. So, but as the investigation's ongoing and right from the get-go, Candy never admits that she had been over there and had a argument or an altercation. She she was over there, but not that anything happened. She just said, no, I went over there, we talked, and then I left and went to the store. Right.

So it immediately looks like a cover up. She's covering her tracks. She goes home and she cleans up. She returns to the church and has a tale to tell about where she's been this entire time. And even her husband, she doesn't admit, you know, that she had gotten into this fight with Betty Gore. So once the body's discovered, the investigation ensues and they're going down through.

all the possibilities of who could have killed Betty in such a horrific manner as to have struck her 41 times with an Right, so they start off obviously with the husband. He comes back into town and they're like, oh, why did you leave town? They take him in and they question him and he answers all the questions with an exception of one. They asked him, how was your marriage? And he goes, oh, it's good, we're doing fine.

and they're like, well, was there any outside affairs with you or your wife? And he goes, well, my wife had one. a little while after they were married. I haven't had one. And so they're like, okay.

a day later He ends up calling the police and admitting I lied about that question I actually have had an affair and it was with Candace Montgomery, right? And so they bring Candace in and they start questioning her well they have a whole lot more questions for her because When they see her they notice that her fingernails two or three of them were broken They asked to see her

shoes, there was a bloody spot on her shoe. was a bloody spot on one of her shoes. So they asked ⁓ to see her shoes and then they saw the... toe had almost got cut off. Right. Her toe was injured and that there was some bruising about her feet. And legs. And legs, right. So they confiscated, her shoes.

That's when they come out. in the news that they found a shoe print and a thumb print, Candy hears this so she starts kind of freaking out a little bit. So she was actually wearing her flip-flops when she went to the church the first time and when she came home and cleaned up them when she went back to tennis shoes on so she decides to cut up her flip-flops and hide the evidence dispose of it. Right. And I, I don't know if this part is

real if it was dramatized that her husband goes to take the garbage out and sees her cut up shoes? That was not one of the things that I saw listed in terms of what was dramatized or not so I don't know. don't know. Whether he really saw that or not because I believe the one with Elizabeth Olsen does not show him discovering it. He just questions her. He questions her where. Hey what happened to those shoes? Right. And the other one he

He sees the cut up shoes in the bottom of the trash can. But it doesn't appear that he does anything about it. No. So that was probably mostly for dramatization. he starts to question whether she had been part of this but... ⁓

She is freaking out so at that point she decides she needs to seek legal counsel and she goes and hires an attorney. Right and the attorney goes okay I need you to tell me the whole story. She sticks true to her story that she's been telling everybody for the first I don't know how long. A couple meetings anyway. Right and so she's like no and no one believes that she did this because she's not that big of a woman and everyone thinks it was probably some

that came in and did this. And a little subtle thing in the movies that they did was each time they talk about it is, know, did you murder? Betty? And the way she portrays it is she's going to come up and say, yes, I did this, but it was self-defense. So what she's trying to do is make a denial in just technical language that I didn't murder

It was self-defense, you know, so. she doesn't do that right away and eventually though I think she starts, her attorney's telling her all this stuff and more and more is coming out. So she finally goes to her attorney and says, look, I did do this, but it was self-defense. Right. And so they.

take and go to ⁓ Austin, I believe it was, for a meeting with a well-known psychologist, psychiatrist. And he places candy under hypnosis and basically gets a statement from her and then he comes up with a diagnosis basically saying that part of this ⁓ condition that happened to her that made her flip out was

temporary insanity with a disassociative reaction to when she was four years old, she cut her own forehead her mom takes her to the hospital and she's crying loudly and her mom was shh, shh, everybody's gonna think you're crazy, you need to shh, Supposedly then, during this attack, they could both hear the baby

crying Betty shushes her. was like shh the baby's gonna hear. And this is part of what sets Candy off during the assault. So she's got this disassociative prognosis and he is gonna go to court and basically testify on Candy's behalf that

This most likely started off as a self-defense and her attorney you're talking about right? Yeah, and the doctor the doctor is going to go in and testify to this

that this started off as a self-defense and because of her condition that there was a mental break at some point and she snapped she snapped and that's the reason for the 41 blows. Right and I don't I also don't know you did a little more research on this case than I did in both of the movies it shows that the judge

biased towards Betty, which I can understand that. So he says and does a lot of things that kind of put her at a disadvantage, Candy at a disadvantage. So he basically ⁓ comes down on her attorney several times during the case and actually holds her attorney in contempt.

and says he's gonna put him in jail, right? Because of that it does put them at a disadvantage and I think that this some of this actually plays out in front of the jury which Unbeknownst to the judge may have actually worked to her advantage because when the jury sees this it was pretty obvious that there was some contention going on there, right?

So getting back to the two different shows the one that was Candy, they look at it

what happened to

they show Betty in the courtroom watching all of

during it, she even speaks, well, that's your story. they really do seem to want you to be more compassionate towards her, which I can totally see that. I she's the one that was murdered. And the one that we preferred.

Feel a little more sympathy towards candy. Yeah, they make her seem just more human in the one with Elizabeth Olsen Love and death.

You also see just a deeper courtroom exploration. One leaned one way, one leaned the other way. I think the love and death of actually showed a little more courtroom exploration and some of the emotion because like there's a particular scene in which the her own attorney comes at her with the axe and basically makes her break down and cry and he

is telling her the entire time the jury needs to see you as a frail kind of house mouse type mom meek and mild and that Betty attacked you or otherwise we're not gonna win this and he seems to succeed in that yeah because during the trial if what they're showing is true Candace is kind of sitting there not showing much emotion

She's taking something to make her not show emotion because she was upset about all of this supposedly. she's trying to calm her nerves so that she doesn't break down and cry because she is a bit overwhelmed throughout this. But there too, that could be a dramatic issue because they don't address that in the second movie and nowhere on the internet that I saw said anything about that. Yeah.

So they get all the way down to where the jury is going to go and deliberate. And when they go out, you honestly don't know, which way it's gonna go if you didn't know anything about the case.

when they come back, they wait for a dramatic pause, obviously, before announcing the verdict and they find her not guilty. Which even in the internet research at the time, everyone was shocked.

Everyone in the gallery, guess, besides the jury was shocked. The judge seemed to be somewhat upset. Well, definitely Betty's parents were upset. we don't know what really happened, Candy is the only one that really knows But if Betty did start this and she ended up losing, then it was self-defense. people were really upset about the overkill.

41 times and then they went into detail as to how she

chopped her up.

she

supposedly chopped her eyes out or chopped her face up pretty bad. Yeah. Arms, legs. So a lot of people were just like, why didn't you stop when she was dead? Exactly. Yeah. There's a lot of reason to be upset as far as the family. But at the same time, doesn't change anything. But this kind of did grab headlines at the time.

back in the 1980s when this incident actually took place and they were talking about, it was like a statewide shock that people couldn't believe that she was found not guilty during the course of this trial. I think a lot of people were thinking, well, even if she came after you, you shouldn't have chopped her up like that. ⁓ Once she stopped moving, you should have stopped.

she's still dead. I can see that if I especially if I was her mom, Betty's mom, I'd be like, no, I don't care. So it was kind of flooring that they did find her not guilty.

it seems that yeah, they find her not guilty and As I was telling you I was kind of thinking about this from a legal aspect if you can convince the jury that This fight was started and you killed her in self-defense it really doesn't matter what happens after she's dead because She could potentially be charged with say ⁓

desecrating human remains or something to that effect, but she wasn't charged with that. So that's not on the table. The fact is that the blows, regardless of whether they were one or 40, were...

to stop the threat, that's what she did. And that's all she can be charged with, or all she could be found guilty of. I honestly don't know how I feel about it because I can see both sides. I can see Betty being like really mad. You had an affair with my husband, how dare you? But to attack her with an ax, if that's what happened, that's messed up. Right. And it's like someone, going to shoot someone.

then getting their gun taken away and getting shot themselves. you kind of brought it on yourself, but did you deserve to be hacked up? No, and even though they did have an affair, I don't know if that an affair is worth someone being murdered over. that kind of surprised me too kind of thinking back to the community they were living in a very religious based, Texas overall is pretty conservative.

It's the 1980s where things weren't looked at quite as freely as they are today. for, it almost seems like just on the affair alone, they would have found her guilty. It was because they didn't take to that kind of thing very well back then. But another discussion we were having just.

Slightly off of this though is that sometimes juries do things like you just can't understand why they come to this and I I know that this was a long time ago, but it was during our lifetime, which was the OJ Simpson one I think that most people who watch that who knew out in the community what was going on

Completely believe that OJ Simpson was guilty and yet the jury found him not guilty and so a lot of people were very upset about that and that was similar in terms of a very gruesome murder. part of that I think had to do with ⁓ his star power as a football player and Well, he was on commercials

is very well known. another part of that was racially motivated because at that time I think the US was going through a very difficult.

period following the Rodney King incident down in Los Angeles I think that it was kind of a jury nullification. There was one thing that we we hit on but we didn't cover it very well is the the lens. During the court case when they were talking about this they're like, well did Betty start this or did Candy start this? Because they found the lens out in

the garage next to where the axe was hanging and so they're saying well did Betty go out there and get the axe or did Candy go out there and get the axe? ⁓

It doesn't make sense that Candy went out and got it because the affair was over had been over for eight months Neither one of them said they wanted to be with each other. That was a couple of things that came out during the trial that seemed a little bit Surprising in the fact that Alan Gore even though Candice

had killed his wife almost seemed a little bit protective of

Candice

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So after the trial,

Candice and her husband, Pat.

make a decision to start a new life, They move away from this community because they're never gonna find a normal life again. I think Candy thought they could, but her husband was already starting to realize this isn't gonna work. they ended up moving, to Georgia.

to be closer to her family and start a new life there. Although that doesn't quite go as well as they thought and they end up getting divorced, four years later? then after, Betty's death, Alan ends having a relationship with someone that goes to the same church that they did who I believe was a piano player in the choir.

They get married quite quickly after Betty's death. Within a couple of months, And then that marriage, doesn't survive very long and they end up getting a divorce. But he does get married again. And I don't know who to. But Candy never gets remarried. Candy ends up trying to remake herself because she's now single after her and Pat get it.

divorce and so she becomes a mental health therapist and Actually open to practice with her daughter Jenny. She does however change her name, right? She changed her name and it's unknown exactly where she's living at today, right? But I she doesn't say much about Pat her husband. I don't remember if he gets remarried or not

But the gentleman that was her attorney actually ran for governor in 1996, governor of Texas. then two years later he ends up dying of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

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So that brings us to the end in terms of what do you guys think? was this actually a self-defense situation? Or was it something darker? And do you think the jury got it

right? You know, these are all questions that only one person...

would really know. think candy is the only one that really know what happened.

I think people still talk about the OJ one too, but it's 45, years later, people are still talking about it. Yeah. And so it was big news at the time that it was going on. It became ⁓ a book. And then here we are 45 years later or so a couple of movies have come out.

we thought it was an interesting case. I hope that you did too Let us know in the comments. What do you think was it self-defense or was this murder? And what would you have done if you were the jury member?

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